Avengers: Age of Ultron's Joss Whedon and Kevin Feige Tease Hulk/Iron Man Battle 23

Share

During a new interview with Empire Magazine, both Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feige and Avengers: Age of Ultron filmmaker Joss Whedon addressed the teaser art we've seen (and the beat from the Comic Con trailer) that showed Iron Man in his "Hulkbuster" armor.

While Feige was coy about it, Whedon said that the relationship between the characters has a major impact on how the story will play out and why the often-teased fight between Iron Man and The Hulk in the sequel is interesting to him.

"It's a bespoke suit. The back-up plan in case things go awry," Feige is quoted as saying. 

"The Hulkbuster is from after my time [as a reader], but even I knew what a big deal it was," Whedon added. "It makes sense because there's no one who can really go up against Hulk, but more importantly, those guys are best friends, so what that battle is and what it means is fascinating to me."

Avengers: Age of Ultron will be in theaters on May 1.

Next Up on ComicBook

Discuss This Article

23

people have commented on this article. Join the discussion

This article is located in:

Movies Avengers: Age Of Ultron Avengers Avengers 2 Age of Ultron

23 Comments

  1. twinghost

    old, nothing new :S

  2. Dyego

    While I also enjoy the dynamic between Iron Man and Hulk, the line "It makes sense because there's no one who can really go up against Hulk" saddens me. Where’s the love for Thor? From the Marvel official wiki:

    “When facing both the Avengers and the Fantastic Four the Hulk has even stated that Thor with Mjolnir is the only one among them that he considers a threat.”

    “Thor has proven capable of several acts of vast physical strength, including stalemating the Hulk in battle for an hour. He was able to break Silver Surfer's force field with a single blow, knocked out Namor with a single blow (despite Namor being fully hydrated and it was raining), defeated the Bi-Beast, Red Hulk, and Gladiator.”

    “He has withstood a blast from Odin, and even survived blasts from Celestials.”

    On the subject of Mjolnir: “Thor often uses the hammer as a physical weapon. It has been described as impacting with sufficient force to "destroy mountains" and has proven capable of creating a small crack in the armor of a Celestial.” 

    Thor can easily take on Hulk.

  3. Exactly! Thor is the most powerful Avenger...

  4. Blitz2469

    Wrong on so many lvls. Thor is great i will never take anything away from him is one of my favriote marvel heros. Hulk wins 9 out of 10 fights between Thor. There is no limit to Hulks potanial its never really been tested. Thor is a demigod and can be killed. The angery hulk gets the stronger he becomes the stronger he becomes the worse it is for everyone. Thor may win if he is in Odins armor "May win". There are two marvel charcters that i think can beat Hulk Thanos and Galatics. Take away Thors hammer what is he? In Avengers Hulk and thor fight if u pay close attetion to the whole fight Hulk is winning the entire fight and would have "possibaly killed Thor" if a certian Fighter jet hadnt saved him. Movies arent an accurate Marvel thing but I still belive That Hulk is the strongest Avenger hands down.

  5. Dyego

    Hmm, did you see the part about "stalemating the Hulk in battle for an hour" and cracking the armor of a Celestial? Both Silver Surfer and Namor have defeated Hulk (Namor beat Hulk several times) and yet Thor has defeated both of those characters.

    The key difference, generally, when Thor and Hulk fight is that Thor never really wants to hurt the Hulk. On the flip side, angry Hulk is trying to tear Thor's head off. That's why, I think, in Avengers, Hulk was clearly winning that fight. Thor didn't want to kill him.

    And my listing of Thor's strength from the Marvel wiki was only a few mentions. Seriously, he's way too overpowered and is among the most powerful of all of Marvel's characters, including non-Avengers. That's probably why they've toned him down in the MCU. In the toned-down MCU, Hulkbuster armor is a must.

    ....I'd still like to see a touch of the Thor that cracked a Celestial's armor, snapped Adamantium cables just by flexing, and held a broken moon together with his bare hands....

  6. msm

    The Hulk also held an exploding planet together by gripping onto the tetonic plates with his bare hands, and later almost destroyed the Earth simply by walking. Not to mention all of the times that he's almost killed Thor, and has matched the demi-god's feats such as equaling Celestial-powered beings and completely brutalising the Silver Surfer during the Planet Hulk series. Oh, and in Fear Itself, Thor outright admits that he couldn't beat the Hulk because, unlike him, the Hulk has unlimited potential. Just saying. 

    The problem with any comic book power debate is that every single character is subject to the author's creative liberty and time of publication. Remember when Superman could only lift a car? Yeah - now he can hold onto black holes like a 16 year old boy holds onto his penis, and can move planets in such a way that he could play lawn bowls with the solar system. The same goes with beings like Thor and the Hulk. One minute they struggle to break steel, the next moment they're a threat to all creation. 

    It's really best to judge these characters within the context of the current media, and right now, in the MCU, the Hulk is simply the strongest there is. Joss Whedon has said it, The Avengers movie showed it, and while that has the potential to change in the future, for now this is the reality of the situation.

    I agree - I also would like to see Thor (and the others) reach their comic book potential, but right now their restrained level of power is exactly what has made the Marvel films so accessible to a wider audience. The idea of a single individual punching apart a planet would just alienate too many people, and for that, I appreciate the decision Marvel's various directors have made in portraying these characters. 

  7. smallfry

    agreed, Thor is definitely tough enough to handle someone like Superman, but he's not in Hulks league. Since Hulk went Worldbreaker he's closer to skyfather level.

  8. Not if the Hulk is the World Breaker!

  9. I think everyone has forgotten the Ghost Rider. During World War Hulk, their battle is monitored by Doctor Strange and Mister Fantastic. Doctor Strange believes that the entity that supplies Ghost Rider's mystic power is possibly capable of defeating the Hulk, stating that his powers are limitless, and only inhibited by the human side of the Ghost Rider, even going as far as to call his powers "godlike".

  10. Earlmon

    Superman just ripped off hulk's head in the comic..

    1950891-superman_vs_hulk_comic_art_by_ro

  11. Stang750

    If you google it you would find an interview with Stan saying that Thor is stronger. STAN LEE SAYS THOR IS STRONGER. There we can all go home.

  12. Also, he did go onto say that it was posssible that the hulk might be able to eventually get to thor strength level, but in his opinion thor would win a fight between the two of them. 

    Interesting stuff, but most likely irrelevant. Stan hasn't written anything in ages. We're probably more versed in Marvel continuity than he is. And the question was worded poorly. "Who is stronger" and "Who is more powerful" are two different questions, and it sounded as though they asked him "Who's stronger" and Stan gave them the answer for "Who is more powerful".

    Still, he's still the man, so I won't argue with anything he says about his own creations. But at this point he's just another fan of comics...albeit an insanely rich and influential fan of comics.

    But, I would still go for Ghost Rider

  13. Bazinga! 

  14. If you can follow this link, it's pretty good CGI of the Hulk vs Superman https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151906546816843  

  15. Marvelman

    Much as I like Hulk, Thor is the stronger.

    Some on here may disagree, but let's look at the facts. The angrier Hulk gets, the stronger he gets, and that means he has to lose control to become stronger. Once he's lost control he can be out-thought, and ANYONE who can be out-thought can be out fought. In any battle of brains over brawn, brains wins. This is even more likely when facing an Asgardian with hundreds, perhaps thousands of years combat experience, such as Thor.

    When Hulk has a go at Thor, the reality is that Thor doesn't really want to hurt Hulk, because he knows that Dr Banner is underneath. In the MCU it's easier to see than in the comics too. During the fight on the S.H.I.E.L.D. Hellicarrier, you can clearly see that Thor is enjoying the fight, because he looks at the blood in his hands and smiles. It's in his nature, because he actually enjoys battle, and he's been fighting wars all of his (very long) life. Asgardians are a warrior race after all. As Coulson points out in Thor's first movie, he made Coulson's highly trained agents look like "minimum wage mall cops". The reality is that Thor has hundreds (maybe thousands) of years of combat experience AND the virtually unrivalled power of Mjolnir. But Thor also has control, something which Hulk does not.

    That's why in the battles between them, Thor knows he's in no real danger and so can toy with Hulk to  some extent. But if Thor wanted to stop Hulk, permanently, to kill him, then he could. When in combat with Thor, if Thor wants you dead, you're dead, even if your name is Hulk!

  16. brainfail

    Dyego said ... (original post)

    Hmm, did you see the part about "stalemating the Hulk in battle for an hour" and cracking the armor of a Celestial?

    True on the "stalemate for an hour" (though it was actually the two locking arms for 90 minutes) but thats very much the best Thor has ever done and it was a loooong time ago. Its very much the anomaly at this stage.

    Both Silver Surfer and Namor have defeated Hulk (Namor beat Hulk several times) and yet Thor has defeated both of those characters.

    Namor beat Hulk once in the sea and once they had a double KO more or less (though Namor recovered first). The one time Thor and Namor tussled in and out of the sea it was a very even inconclusive fight. Surfer has beaten Hulk twice - once was via Gamma Drain which makes things a little harder to compare.

    The key difference, generally, when Thor and Hulk fight is that Thor never really wants to hurt the Hulk. On the flip side, angry Hulk is trying to tear Thor's head off.

    This however is flat out wrong. There are several battles where Thor has been explicitly trying to kill Hulk and several battles where Hulk just wants to show he is stronger than Thor. The "But Thor is holding back thing" is blown waaay out of proportion.

     That's why, I think, in Avengers, Hulk was clearly winning that fight. Thor didn't want to kill him.

    And my listing of Thor's strength from the Marvel wiki was only a few mentions. Seriously, he's way too overpowered and is among the most powerful of all of Marvel's characters, including non-Avengers. That's probably why they've toned him down in the MCU. In the toned-down MCU, Hulkbuster armor is a must.

    ....I'd still like to see a touch of the Thor that cracked a Celestial's armor, snapped Adamantium cables just by flexing, and held a broken moon together with his bare hands....

    Generally speaking Hulk & Thor are "peers" - characters who are very evenly matched - & always have been, though lately Hulk seems to have gotten the better of their rivalry. Apart from that I wouldnt put much stock in wikis - they are inevitably heavily edited by fans to show characters in the best possible light.

  17. Trask482

    It's looking more and more like Cap's going to have an extremely minor role in Avengers2. Too bad, I was hoping Whedon would make up for Caps poor portrayal and horrible costume in the first one.

  18. smallfry

    *BUZZ*, I'm sorry- wrong answer. Thor has explicitly tried to kill Hulk in the past... no dice. Thor has gone Warrior Madness on a weaker version of the Hulk and still lost. Thor himself admitted to the Hulk that he never could beat him. Hulk has been mad enough that his power destroyed a planet, but he didn't lose control... he can get angry and still remain focussed. There is absolutely nothing Thor could do to override Hulk's healing factor. Break Hulk's neck... it heals as he fights. Punch a manhole sized hole through his torso... it heals as he fights. Shoot adamantium shrapnel through his brain... it heals as he fights. All the while Hulk just keeps getting stronger. This is a no win situation for Thor.

    Thanks for playing tho

  19. Dyego

    These are all very good points, and I will admit that I don't know as much about Hulk as I do Thor. I like best what MSM said, though: "The problem with any comic book power debate is that every single character is subject to the author's creative liberty and time of publication."

    If we look at the situation logically (what, logic? in a comic book conversation? madness, I know) we can come to my previous perception of Thor being the stronger. When I say that, it doesn't mean Hulk isn't a threat, but let's take a look at it a little closer.

    Hulk is a human who's been tranformed/mutated by a gamma blast (comics origin), or by a super soldier serum plus gamma radiation (MCU origin). In both cases he is obviously vastly stronger than any mere human, but from a logical standpoint he is still, structurally, a human and limited by that fact.

    Thor is an Asgardian Demigod. I actually don't like using the phrase demigod because it sounds like he's less powerful; in fact, his mother (comics origin) was Gaea, an Elder God. Because of this fact he is the Asgardian god of Strength, making him stronger than any other Asgardian. In comics form he's a god, in movie form he's the strongest of a race of incredibly strong aliens.

    Without even giving him Mjolnir, Thor is, from a logical standpoint, the stronger of the two. He has access to the power of being an Odinson, meaning his regenerative power is equal or superior to Hulk's, and his strength is unmatched by any other Asgardian. Then you give him Mjolnir, a hammer with mystical elements and incredible hitting power, and you've got something that, on a base level, should be stronger than the Hulk.

    That's just my take on the matter, though. Writers for both Thor and Hulk have gotten out-of-hand in their descriptions of how strong both characters are.

    (PS: to brainfail: good points, except the one about Thor and Namor. Thor knocked a fully-hydrated Namor out with one punch in Invaders #33, apparently. But you're right: I shouldn't be trusting wikis :P)

  20. not trying to ba a dick but here's proof hulk is stronger and mjohnir means nothing against hulk

  21. Dyego

    And Thor took Hulk out with a single lightning bolt. We could argue this forever, but as was mentioned, Stan Lee says Thor is stronger. Stan Lee was among the creators of Thor and Hulk. If the creator says Thor is stronger, then any stories written against that vein are not written according to the creator's ideals. 

  22. Tony Stark is unbeatable as long as he possesses J.A.R.V.I.S!!

  23. I agree with Feige, the battle between Iron Man with Hulkbuster armor and the Hulk will be so fascinating.

    AvengersUltron.com | Fansite for Avengers: Age of Ultron