Joss Whedon Says Coulson Is Still Dead As Far As Marvel Movies Are Concerned

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Joss Whedon killed off Agent Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg), which was the moment Nick Fury used to galvanize The Avengers. Then Whedon went off and made a Marvel television show and resurrected Coulson, which watered down his death in the MCU and left fans wondering how that will be dealt with in the Marvel movies.

“Yeah he’s dead. The entire television series is just a fever dream, Whedon joked to IGN. "It’s a Jacob’s Ladder moment he’s having at the point of death, but we don’t give that away until after season seven. And there’s a snow globe. Now I’ve given it away. Bollocks!

“It’s a weird little yes and no. As far as I’m concerned in the films, yes he’s dead. In terms of the narrative of these guys [The Avengers] his loss was very important. When I created the television show, it was sort of on the understanding that this can work and we can do it with integrity, but these Avengers movies are for people to see the Avengers movies and nothing else. And it would neither make sense nor be useful to say ‘Oh and by the way remember me? I died!’”

Kind of odd that it is only now that Whedon realizes the mistake Marvel made by having Coulson come back from the dead. He's been the director of the fake branch of S.H.I.E.L.D., interacted with numerous Marvel heroes, like Sif and Maria Hill, but none of the Avengers know that he is among the living once again? Hard to swallow.

Avengers: Age of Ultron hits theaters on May 1, 2015.

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    • ameritius
    • 552 Posts in 23 Months

    Wrong, Coulson is the Director of SHIELD, Fury gave him the toolbox and the job, the other guys are the fakes!

    In addition, Joss Whedon's deal with Marvel ends in June of this year, so if Marvel decides to have the Avengers find out about Coulson, he really has no say in the matter.

    • cimmerian
    • 794 Posts in 27 Months

    DC..."Sorry, tv and movie universes aren't connected. We want both to be able to tell good stories without worrying about the other and if you think about it, you do too."

    Marvel...."Yeah, IT'S ALL CONNECTED. Except in the minds of the creators who feel like it undermines the plot points of their film...seriously, he didn't say anything when he cashed the check."

  1. That makes no freakin sense not to bring him back into the movies! I was wondering how Agents Of Shield would interact with Age Of Ultron and the other movies when it came to Coulson? I thought they were supposed to be crossing over with relatively seamless continuity? They have to, cause they're in the same universe sharing some of the same characters. I think Joss kinda dropped the ball on this a little, not that it can't be worked out, but it's a bit odd that no-one thought about this??? Sounds like the Marvel TV and Movie divisions need to share and review the planning boards and scripts a bit better.

  2. ameritius said ... (original post)

    Wrong, Coulson is the Director of SHIELD, Fury gave him the toolbox and the job, the other guys are the fakes!

    In addition, Joss Whedon's deal with Marvel ends in June of this year, so if Marvel decides to have the Avengers find out about Coulson, he really has no say in the matter.

    Agreed. Not really sure why Joss is so adamant about this point. Marvel has made it very clear that #ItsAllConnected. Plus, from what I've heard, the events in tomorrow night's AoS directly lead into (and explain) the first series of events in Age of Ultron. Obviously all of this is affecting both the TV and movie worlds. I'm sure that it won't be long before Coulson and the gang are brought into the movie world- if not in Civil War, then definitely in Infinity War (because everyone who is everyone will be brought into those films to deal with Thanos)

    • HartThorn
    • 716 Posts in 25 Months

    Ya know... I can see the argument from Whedon's side. Purely from a narrative perspective, shoe horning Coulson in would require an insane info-dump for people who don't watch the TV show.

    So, from a meta-level, Whedon needs to keep the lie going just to make the best movie he can. Now, give the MCU a little longer to mature, with whatever Ultron does in Avengers 2 and however they wanna work Doctor Strange and Iron Fist into this, and they'll be able to hedge how catastrophic an info-dump is required (both by pre-explaining some of the backstory as well as "fantastic fatigue", where the heroes/viewers are just more willing to take the brief answer over the whole story from all the crazy they've been handed).

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